By: Drivers.com staff
Date: 1996-10-15
The following interview with Brian O'Neill, president of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, was conducted in October 1996, shortly after the Washington Summit on Driver Education aimed at establishing a coalition of sponsors to fund new initiatives in driver training and education.
Drivers.com: Is the IIHS against the coalition?
 
  O'Neill:  I don't know what the coalition is, apart from an
  idea amongst participants at the summit. We believe highway safety should be
  a scientific field, not a field driven by enthusiasm and cheerleading. We know
  of no reason why a new coalition is needed to promote driver education. So
  far, there is not one shred of evidence that high school driver education actually
  reduces crash risk. 
Drivers.com: What about the coalition as a means to channel
  funding to research? 
 
  O'Neill:  Where will money come from? The DeKalb study is
  old but it's the best study of driver education effectiveness so far. It cost
  $6 million to do. The question is, what are they going to evaluate and where
  will funds come from? 
Drivers.com:  Is there anything specific that needs to be
  done? 
 
  O'Neill: Yes. Our view is there's lots of new ideas around
  the world concerning driver education, particularly with respect to graduated
  licensing. This is happening. I just don't understand the need for a new organization,
  not at this point in time, particularly when so many of the proponents are,
  based on their comments, somewhat anti-science...I heard that one of the participants
  said, "We can't expect these new approaches to hold up to science, and anyway,
  science is a crock." That received one of the largest rounds of applause at
  the conference. 
Drivers.com: One of the frustrations for driver educators
  is that we don't have scientific evidence to back us. Perhaps formal driver
  education could be supported for other reasons. For example, education in general
  is not backed up by science as far as I know. 
 
  O'Neill: But (formal) education in general, as far as I know,
  does not proclaim that this is the only way you can be educated. We do allow
  people to teach their children at home under certain controlled circumstances.
  We allow private schools as an alternative to public schools. We do not say,
  for example, especially when it comes to vocational learning, that the only
  way you can become a good cook is to take classes at high school, or become
  a carpenter by taking shop at school...but high school driver educators, in
  the U.S. in particular, for years have said there is only one way to become
  a safe driver-through high school driver education. That is patently absurd. 
Drivers.com: You would see education in conjunction with
  graduated driver licensing (GDL) as taking place at a variety of levels, not
  necessarily through high schools? 
 
  O'Neill:  We have nothing against high school driver education
  per se. What we are concerned with are the outrageous claims that have been,
  and continue to be, made on its behalf, with respect to safety. Everyone has
  to learn the basic skills of driving. There's many ways to do that and in my
  mind there's nothing particularly wrong with that taking place in the high
  school setting as long as the high school district wants to do that...it's
  a skill that can be taught in high schools or elsewhere. It's the persistent
  claim that this somehow guarantees safer drivers than any other process can
  produce, when it most clearly does not, that bothers me. 
Drivers.com: Dr. Gary Bloomfield described the Washington
  State system as the most comprehensive system in the country and he points
  to rather good statistics to support that. 
 
  O'Neill: But they are not scientifically valid because they're
  not based on random assignments. I'm not saying there's no benefit, but his
  statistics don't prove it. 
Drivers.com:  What about other values of training and education?
  For example, teaching about the culture of the roadway, knowledge of driving
  techniques, commonly understood procedures for doing things. 
 
  O'Neill:  Obviously there's nothing wrong with that, but high
  school driver ed is not the only way to do that. In many American high schools,
  driver ed is a goof-off class...kids sit around, don't have to work hard...it's
  been a place for the football coach to make extra money, a throw-away class,
  in many school districts. 
Drivers.com:  Where should formal education stand in the
  scheme of things? 
 
  O'Neill: The evidence still suggests that it really doesn't
  matter how someone learns to drive, in terms of safety. The initial skill acquisition
  will still be very incomplete because we cannot spend enough time with these
  kids to get them to the point where an experienced driver is. The evidence
  increasingly points in the direction that the skills necessary to become a
  good driver, and the attitudes, can only be acquired over time. That's why
  there is so much support for the GDL process around the world. You give beginner
  drivers the basic skills, then they go through GDL, with controlled exposure
  to risk through the early years. 
Drivers.com: So skills and attitudes develop over time? 
 
  O'Neill:  That 's where we all fail. We certainly don't change
  them in the classroom. Attitudes and behavior patterns of teens seem clearly
  determined by peer groups and all sorts of other pressures that are independent
  of adult input at that age...we all like to think that we can control the behavior
  and attitude of our teens but it's a touch-and-go process. My experience with
  my own kids confirms this...it's a very unpredictable business. 
Drivers.com:  Maybe driver educators should forget about
  safety and look at the other benefits from formal training. 
 
  O'Neill:  Not forget safety. We need to talk about and encourage
  safety belt wearing, to tell teens that high speed is crazy and so on. But
  we should have no illusions that telling teenagers that driving fast is dangerous
  will cause them to stop doing it. 
Drivers.com:  Amongst benefits I see from formal training
  is the chance to educate individuals about the sociology and psychology of
  driving and about the concept of cooperativeness as opposed to competitiveness. 
 
  O'Neill:  Sure, but the extent to which that will succeed
  is very unpredictable. The very old research that I think is very meaningful
  is that if you want to know what a kid's driving record will be, look at the
  driving record of the parent. Kids, like their parents before them, spend all
  those years subconsciously observing how their fathers or mothers drive. 
Drivers.com:  Will the coalition get funding? 
 
  O'Neill:  My perception is that there will be no money raised.
  The last thing Washington needs is yet another special interest organization
  promoting something that may or may not be a good thing. People I spoke to
  subsequent to the meeting, including people from the insurance industry and
  the auto industry, suggest that there will not be money forthcoming from those
  two industries. 
Drivers.com: If that means that dollars that could have gone
  to developing driver education won't go, is that good or bad? 
 
  O'Neill:  It's not clear that creating a new organization
  actually achieves anything. We've created lots of new organizations and one
  that I know was mentioned at that (summit) meeting was the National Commission
  Against Drunk Driving. Realistically, that organization has not accomplished
  much in the many years of its existence. It has a big banquet every year where
  tables are sold to corporations for fund raising and they give a lot of awards,
  but what has it accomplished? The answer is nothing. It exists and putters
  along, and it's yet another organization that sucks up some corporate funding
  that might go elsewhere or might not. It makes the people in the corporation
  feel that they are contributing to societal solutions when, in fact, little
  is being accomplished. 
Drivers.com: So, instead of being money being funneled right
  down to where it would count, the money gets absorbed in the funnel? 
 
  O'Neill: Yes. The real $64,000 question for me is, if there
  is an organization with funding, what would it do that is not currently being
  done? As far as the proposed coalition is concerned, I don't know the answer
  to that question. 
Drivers.com: If you had $10 million, where would you put
  it? 
 
  O'Neill:  I'd put it somewhere else, not into driver education.
  I'd put it into efforts to get really good GDL programs across the states.
  I'm not sure that the initial acquisition of driving skills is likely to play
  a major role in safety. Europeans look at North America and say, "Let kids
  drive at 16? That's crazy. They're not mature enough." We face the interesting
  dilemma in North America that we depend on the car as basic transportation.
  Adults are sick of chauffeuring kids by the time they're 16. 
I was the classic conflicted parent. When my kids were 16, my wife and I were relieved. We thought, "This is great." But as a professional safety person, I thought my kids were not old enough. But they wouldn't talk to me for the rest of my life if I didn't let them get a license like their peers.
Drivers.com: So it's mobility versus safety? 
 
  O'Neill:  If we were dealing only with safety, we wouldn't
  let people drive until they were 25. Whether it's speed limits or minimum licensing
  age, we make trade-offs between conflicting needs. We pay a big price all around
  the world by letting young people drive when they do. It's a problem in every
  society. The more the access, the bigger the problem. Society seems to accept
  this big price. 
Drivers.com:  Would you formalize the need for driver education
  in GDL systems? 
 
  O'Neill:  I think there should be formal driver education
  as part of it, but I don't think it should be used as a reward system. I don't
  think any of the processes or periods should be shortened because of driver
  education. It should be required in addition to the requirements of the system,
  whether given by a private school or a high school. 
Drivers.com:  Should it be mandatory? 
 
  O'Neill:  I have no problem with that kind of thing being
  incorporated into a GDL program, but I would not like to see shortening of
  the period of curfew if teens take driver education. There's no evidence of
  a payoff. The curfew aspects are very important, and very helpful for parents.
  In the alcohol area, it used to be common to offer shorter license suspensions
  if drivers took alcohol education. But people who did not take alcohol education
  and had longer suspensions actually had better subsequent records. I hope you
  understand that it's not driver education per se I'm against; it's the idea
  that it's the silver bullet.